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Sean

Thanks for the reflection Bob - I hear you! I am especially interested in your challenge to your church to become a "disciple-making community in the Wesleyan tradition." I would love to hear more about how you began that conversation and what other priorities and focuses the church may have to let go of to sustain that work.

Debip1

Thank you articulating my thoughts and I am sure the thoughts of many exactly. We lost the live feed in Utah and so we used print outs of the questions for discussion. I actually asked the question "What is the definition of a disciple" the struggle I have is that this is purely a "vocation" for me. I do what I do because I had a "Samaritin woman" experience and want to tell others how how Jesus loves them and how that love changes everthing. I spend to much time explaining to others who supposedly have had the same experience the details of how I do that. I know this is true for many of us. But You know the old saying "don't shoot the messenger?"I think we need to say to the messengers don't lose the message of Jesus Christ transforming and redeeming love. Prayers continue to be in progress as we serve our living Lord in his Kingdom work. Continued blessings in your service in Christ Bob.


Billy

Spot on. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Chris Howlett

Well said, Bob!

Once we determine we are supposed to be disciples of Jesus, which Jesus is it we are supposed to be following? Your thought that we need to have faith in the Jesus who has been bodily resurrected will be controversial in some UM circles, which, I believe, is the central problem with our denomination. If we do not embrace the historic, orthodox, Christian faith, no new emphasis nor new focus on metrics will be able to save us. Nor should it.

Sky McCracken

Bob:

Excellent analysis. I am going to repost this and send it out to the folks in my district.

Sky McCracken
Superintendent, Paducah District
Memphis Annual Conference

mcalhoun

Thanks Bob, your reflections are extremely helpful... especially, "Herein lies the basic problem. We're trying to fit Jesus into our structure, rather than altering our structure to fit Jesus and his kingdom. " I wish we, as an institutionalized denomination, could focus on shifting in this area. Like Sean, I'm interested in hearing more about Wesleyan disciple making... although I'm not sure if it's possible for our denomination to ever be 'Wesleyan' again. With institutional preservation at the top of our functional and practical lists, I think that it would be outside of our character and nature to re-tap our Wesleyan roots at an authentic level.

Abi Carlisle-Wilke

Thanks Bob, I am so glad you articulated this. I didn't go to it for these very reasons.

Metrics are good and helpful, but they are not all there is.

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